Tachometer on a M800???

Hi Members

Today when i am riding (I was wondering), why i have not a tachometer on my bike?
So anyone knows if it will possible to do it on a M800 or similar?
Picks, links and all your pro knowledge it will be most appreciate..and so on.  

The better place will be in the center of the handlebar.     

I saw on HD's and other ones here using only a watch where i want to put mine tacho.
I think that's more useful (for me, of course) having a tacho than a watch.  :shock:  :shock:

P.S. If possible a "cheaper one" but of course, that it works not only a month or so…     

Hi Jose, I've had one of these fitted to mine for the past year or so, works ok and gives a readout of highest revs reached, hours ridden and a few other bits n pieces.
http://suzuki800.forumotion.co.uk/t1440-cheap-electronic-tacho

http://www.trailtech.net/digital-gauges/tto?cat=117

Hi Sim and thanks so much for you are always here helping this noobie  
One thing that i didn't understand if the TT tacho wire is ONLY wrapped around ONE coil?  

I saved this that Mr Intruder said:
Just been browsing and this unit works straight out of the box for years up to 2004, from 2005 because of the dual coils you need to change the PPL. So just to get the RPM right, ignore stages 2 & 3 and just do stage 1. You need to change it to 0.5. from my research.

This tacho is only on sale in Usa? Because i saw this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/12V-Digital-Red-LED-Tachometer-Tacho-Gauge-RPM-For-Adjust-Motorcycle-Brand-New-/301027844303?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4616a860cf

But it seems too much wires and stuff and so…… :7348:

captain crash wrote:

José just follow Mr Intruders instructions and everything will be spot on.  The Tacho in question uses different settings for different bikes and works off of the info from a single coil rather than two coils on later models such as yours. Quite a few members on here run that tacho

Ok, but since this tacho is only (as i checked) from usa it will take too much time and tax expenses since is not from EEC.

I saw on evilbay this and have the same installation procedure and it's more cheaper (please, don't laugh about the 1st video, ok? :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Spark-Plugs-Engine-Digital-Tach-Hour-Meter-Tachometer-Gauge-/321234666271?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item4acb14031f



This one is great, but it's on sale only in usa… :7348:

simbo wrote:

Hi Jose, I've had one of these fitted to mine for the past year or so, works ok and gives a readout of highest revs reached, hours ridden and a few other bits n pieces.
https://www.suzuki800.com/t1440-cheap-electronic-tacho

The second video you have shown looks to be the same as the one Simbo has linked above that they all bought on here a while back?

Yeah crash, mine came from the USA but it only took a couple of weeks to arrive,They're about £25 on eBay delivered.
 
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Trail-Tech-TTO-Tach-Hour-Meter-Gauge-Motorcycle-ATV-Engine-Tachometer-/190811342759?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2c6d3e07a7

These are great tachos, cheap but very affective.  

Red is positive    ( + )
Black is negative ( - )
Green is signal from ignition coil.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I would presume that would mean 
Red to a positive feed
Black to a negative feed
Green to wrap around the spark plug lead

I like it that would look cool  

That will teach me to wright slowly  

Is it adjustable for the later models having dual coils?  :what1:

Hi Jose if you get it working correctly,can you please submit wiring diagram you have used cheers.

Hi guys...but what's the difference between:
Steen G said: Red is positive    ( + )

Black is negative ( - )

Green is signal from ignition coil.



captain crash said:
Red to a positive feed

Black to a negative feed

Green to wrap around the spark plug lead

The other problem ( i think) is with the green wire: There's no problem to make an extension wire til wrap around the spark plug coil?????
          

Hi Sim: I think that it works as your tacho: 1 wrap wire around 1 coil  :what1: 
Hi alfie92: For sure if i purchase this tacho, ( and for this i am depending all of you) i will insert here the diagram, no problem. 

Cheers and thanks to all because you are always here to help me 

P.S. And one more thing: The ebay seller said this:

Specifications:
1. Easy to install
...........
Installation:
Professional installation is highly recommended

         

First is easy to install and after………… will have to be done by a pro?????????

There would be no problem with extending any of the wires IF that was required.
They are just covering themselves from all angles just in-case a complete idiot buys the unit by saying easy to install but professional installation highly recommended.
They are very easy to install my friend, if you have the ability to wire in a household plug then you will not have an issue with this unit as they are so simple.

However as Sim has said 'Is it adjustable for the later models having dual coils?',it is worth asking the seller just to be sure.

It would definitely look great on the bike and is a great price.

Mr Intruder wrote:

However as Sim has said 'Is it adjustable for the later models having dual coils?',it is worth asking the seller just to be sure.

It would definitely look great on the bike and is a great price.

Hi Dave
I will ask him and after i will post here, ok?
Thanks for your "cruel and direct answer about this electrical household idiot"    
When i was very young, i did a f****** experience: i cut with a razor an electrical wire and the result was i got an electric shock that i raised my feet over the floor. From there on I got phobia by everything that has to do with electricity, wires and so on... 

Even a low amount of electricity can kill you so it best to be sure, your questions will never be ignored or ridiculed on here.  The members like it when people ask questions because it helps others as well  

captain crash wrote:

…your questions will never be ignored or ridiculed on here.  The members like it when people ask questions because it helps others as well  

Of course i was joking, no problem, because altough i never saw one of you physically, i know throughout your writing posts, that                          

Thank you all  .

The way I read this post is (+ plus red)goes to the live side of coil,(- neg black) goes to neg side of coil leaving (green signal wire) to ht spark plug lead.If this is not correct please reply,hope this makes it easier to understand.A lot of tacho's just run off a wire round the HT lead,using their own battery for power.

Hi alfie92

To avoid any mistake i asked directly the seller to explain very carefully where the (+) (-) and the green one will be attached/wrapped and also about the later models having dual coils!!!

I saw this on the service manual:    



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Cheers for the reply Jose,much appreciated.

Great to have the extra info  

Well guys i received today a reply from one of two sellers i contacted about:

TaurusTuga asked:
I need to know please if Is it adjustable for the later models having dual coils?
When you say:
Red short line lock positive electrode
Black short line lock negative electrode
Green line contacts signal

You mean:
Red to connect to (+) battery
Black to connect to (-) battery
Green to wrap around the spark plug coil?

This is what he answered:
Yes it's just what you said and compatible with dual coils, no instructions included.

  No instructions????

Perhaps it's more wise waiting for the answer from the other seller to know also what he says, ok? :what1:

TaurusTuga wrote:

You mean:
Red to connect to (+) battery
Black to connect to (-) battery
Green to wrap around the spark plug coil?

This is what he answered:
Yes it's just what you said and compatible with dual coils, no instructions included.

I might be missing the obvious but I think it dont need instructions cause it says it ll above?

   Same as mine, but mine is battery powered LCD, that one just needs electrics to light the LED in the display.

Just ordered one,estimate delivery middle of May.

alfie92 wrote:

Just ordered one,estimate delivery middle of May.

Hi alfie92

Great..           
But you ordered "one of i want" or same as Simbo has?

captain crash wrote:

I might be missing the obvious but I think it dont need instructions cause it says it ll above?

I am not so sure, because another seller have the same tacho BUT say on behind it (selecting 4,6 and 8 cylinders :what1: ) not for our twin bikes :7348:

No that one is not for twins but you need to find out if the one you are looking at is for twins' the same item would be easily changed at manufacture for twins.

alfie92
Be aware of what they said about shipping time arrival.
If by any chance you purchased from another seller that have the same advert layout as the link i left here…..sorry but one of those said me today this: It will be shipped directly from our supplier in China. Estimated delivery: between 15 May and 4 jun  :7348:  :7348:       


This means more taxes for a non EEC country or full refund because of false shipping info details, ok?

Hi Dave: But that's why i didn't want to go ahead so soon, if they don't say exactly all about i need to know, to avoid spend money, time and worries.

I am so confused with wiring installation, wires colors and stuff :what1:  :what1:  :what1:  :what1:  :what1: .

Now i saw this gauge that have the same colors as the other one + yellow, the same chrome red gauge, but using different connections:



Where in the hell is located the negative terminal of coil on my bike ????:7348: 

Hi the one I have ordered is off  tsgseller supposed to be from Scotland but obviously from China,still see if it works when it arrives.It is the one you tagged,it is worth a go.

Hi alfie92
I hope that all ends well with your purchase, of course.  
Don't forget to insert a video of it, ok?

Regards

Hi guys
I received today my tacho...but in manual instructions it says:
Red....to ignition switch (+)
Black...to (-) battery

Green to (-) negative terminal of coil...
Where in the hell is located the negative terminal of coil on my bike ????  (perhaps with a photo to avoid mess up?)

Thanks for a reply asap, ok?

TaurusTuga wrote:

Hi guys
Where in the hell is located the negative terminal of coil on my bike ????  (perhaps with a photo to avoid mess up?)

Thanks for a reply asap, ok?

it's under the fuel tank, Either coil is situated just under the rubber lugs that hold the front of the tank in place, Read the manual for more insight into the wiring and position, Pages 8-18 and 8-19  

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Received mine today,have just filled tank up so not got round to fitting yet.Looks a decent piece of kit,lets just hope it works.

That looks a nice bit of added bling Alfie    Hope you get it sorted.

simbo wrote:

it's under the fuel tank, Either coil is situated just under the rubber lugs that hold the front of the tank in place, Read the manual for more insight into the wiring and position, Pages 8-18 and 8-19  

Hi Sim…Deeply sorry, but i bought my bike used and i have not the manual. The only i got was downloaded from the same link you gave me now M800/VZ800/M50 service manual k5 - pdf link BUT in those pages you mentioned it only says about fork springs and handlebar…sh**. Am i wrong?
Perhaps some photos    please?

You can download the manual foc here Jose  Link   Always worth having for reference  

Hi Sim, sorry for my double post before and after yours, ok?

The only i got was downloaded from the same link, saying: M800/VZ800/M50 service manual k5 - pdf link BUT in those pages you mentioned it only says about fork springs and handlebar…sh**.

Am i wrong or must be downloaded from other link?

I'll look into that Jose   If you download the C800/VL800/C50 2005 to current owners manual in the meantime it's the same specs for the engine and electrical components as the M800/M50, Page 8-18 and 8-19 gives pictures of the coil layout/placement and wiring.

Hi Sim, so sorry to be so stupid and noobie   with electrical things&stuffs, but please pay attention with these 2 photos i send:
The first one taken from the user manual 8-18, 8-19:



I assume that the (-) negative is where i need to attach the green wire to the tacho work.

But the second one was taken from a 2010 M800 like mine and i see clearly the ignition coil and cap where the spark plug will be connected.

So, why i cannot find this in the pages you sent, neither on the photos, or perhaps i'm blind  ?

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Hi Jose here are my coils on a 07 m800 I think yours will be the same.I have lifted the tank to get at them easier.
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I think my - neg side is the orange/white tracer not sure yet.Confusing I know but will get there in the end,I hope or go through a few fuses.Will get a second opinion before I start,weather here is crap so in no rush.Good luck m8.

Hi alfie92 thanks for the photos because now i see where it is...but we have to pay attention because in the user manual:



So,i think the (+) is the white and black/yellow and the negative (-) they must have (certainly) a green wire somewhere.
or maybe in the ignition coil a engraved (+) and (-) like this:



If i have time i will check this on weekend to see more clearly how and where to connect it, because i don't what to damage anything on my bike with guesses!!

Well that did not work,so must be the white on the rear No1 engine (rear) this wire goes to ECM which I think must be in place of the old distributor.Certainly not sure so (do not try this on my say so) will try it out in a couple of days.

Hi Jose I understand what you say,when you take your front panel off to get at the coil go for the clutch side easier to get at,to take the coil off there are two allen key screws to take off,not the easiest thing to get off that is why I have not taken mine off,I can not tell you if the coils are marked as I said not taken mine off.

Hi alfie92

I think the most secure way to avoid damages and questions and searches and so on…it's to buy one like Sim: no wires, only wrap around the spark plug coil..and let's go riding "til 8000 rpm's"
                            
              


P.S. Perhaps with a flashing led light i can see if the ignition coil has any (+) and (-) :what1: 
And one more thing: i saw somewhere on an manual that the ignition 1 is for the front cylinder and the ignition 2 is for the one in rear.

Hi Jose,I completely agree with you,Amen to that.